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Jake Dumas (Calhoun, LA USA)

  1. Steffy will win the tense feud against Quinn
  2. Liam will win the tense confrontation against Wyatt
  3. Eric will get to know the truth about Quinn and Ridge will try to convince Eric by confronting Eric
  4. Wyatt will back off from steffy
  5. Pam will confront Quinn
  6. Brooke will influence Katie to make a right move
  7. Liam and steffy will get remarried and to renew their vows and steffy will stay with Liam and trust me in this because i know about true love and things will be normal again and steffy loves Liam

    BLM (Toronto, ON CA)

    1. Brooke and Dante will form an alliance to pretend that they are in a relationship in order to protect Bridgette and the baby. Brigette will see them together and instead of being relieved that Brooke moved on, she'll be very jealous and envious. Nick will go ballistic and Brigette will realized that he still loves Brooke. Brigette will set Nick free to be with Brooke. Brigette confides in Dante that Nick still loves Brooke and that she and Nick are no longer together and that she hope that she and Dante will make a life together. Dante will leave Brooke for Brigette. Brooke and Nick will get married and as a wedding present someone ( Omar ) will give them a present that shows that RJ is Nick's child. Brigette's baby would turn out to be Dante's. Brigette and Dante wil get married. Taylor will find happiness with Hector leaving Ridge out in the cold. Jackie and Eric will form a relationship and Stephanie and Massimo will get back together.

    Karen (Hulbert, OK USA)

    1. I believe the story line will evolve to show Dante as the father of Bridget's baby. He claimed nothing happened when they slept together, but then again, she was downing Margaritas and cannot remember. I say they did the deed.

    Becky Bowler (Springfield, MO USA)

    1. Ridge will learn the truth about Taylor and Dante than Ridge will try to go back to Brooke but she is already involved with another guy (who you might ask) well of course either Nick or the fireman.

    Wala's (Jadali, Bahrain)

    1. ridge will choose talyor and brook is going to be so deapart and after that there is a weeding coming nick & bridegt
    2. nick and bridget get married after month bridget get pargent by nick wile his marrige to bridget nick start thinking of brook and think that he loves bridget but he cant 4get a bout brook coz she is living with in the same house !!!!!!!!! when nick fpuned out that bridget is pargent with his child he decid that he shouled 4get a bout brook and buliding a home for his baby with bridget !!!!after 9 month bridget is a bout to give brith to nick child ! one day bridget retarun home to nick to founed him in brook arm !bridget saw her mom and the fater of her unbron child kissing and a bout to made love bridegt scream and salp her mother for cheating on her and bridget attack her mother and wile brook was trying to expline to birdget that she sorry and that she was thinkg she was madeing love to ridge !!!!!((that wasnt a lie). bridget was aguring with her mom a bout chaeting in her and brook say that she dident the two of them fight bridget bosh her mom and the two were hurt lying in the floor !brook was ok but bridget was rashed to the hospital and she was exramely damge and the dector tell nick he has to choose between bridget or the baby . brook ask nick to save her daguther but jakie tell him to save the baby after a lot of thining nick tell the dectors to save bridget but a marcile happed bridget and baby will live but sheila kidnap bridget baby ( eamily) but everybody think that bridget baby die !! bridget balme her mom for her child death

    Clarice Carter's (Shreveport, LA USA)

    1. Brooke will take Nick from Briggett and baby R.j. will turn out to be Nick's

    Christine's (Houston, TX USA)

    1. It will come out that Hope is really Ridges child. When Ridge learned of the sick father ploy by Stephanie and Taylor he went after Brooke. They were very cozy when they were on the plan back to Los Angeles. That is around the same time she got pregnant with Hope.

    Alexander's (Thessaloniki, Greece)

    1. Brooke will further tarnish her already trashy reputation by commiting another shocking act. This time she will sleep with Massimo and slowly fall into his clutches.
    2. Deacon will reveal a shocking secret that will bring down the Marones and Forresters
    3. Stephanie will worsen her tendancy to manipulate. She will committ an act that will backfire, leaving her out in the cold, literally!

    Angel's (Sydney, NSW AUS)

    1. Hope is going to grow up miraculously into a beautiful 20 yr old. Ridge will begin to fall for Hope, but Hope is in love with Eric(oh no dilemma). Stephanie views her feelings as inappropriate and advises Hope to go for a unmarried man. Hope in despair turns to Mossimo and they live happily ever after for 2 weeks

    Jacqueline's (Sparta, TN USA)

    1. Brooke and Ridge gets back together when they find out Brooke's baby is really Ridge's.
    2. Stephanie dies.
    3. Amber and Rick get back together and have a child.
    4. Deacon disapears.
    5. Eric finds a new wife.
    6. Brooke beats up the girl that is comforting Ridge.

    Halliwell (Sydney, NSW Australia)

    1. deacon and bridget get back together and they go to court and try and get hope so they can raise her they think they will be better parents for the baby then brooke would be, amber and rick should stay together and have another child and let it live, they should bring a new men in for brooke so she can leave the forrester man alone,cj and darla should get together and raise her and thorne's baby.

    Miki Smith (Bombala, NSW Australia)

    1. After Brooke dumps Ridge at the altar, Bridgette & Ridge will get together exposing the family secret. Then they will find out that Ridge is actually Eric's son, but by the time they find out, Bridgette will already be pregnant. Bridgette doesn't know who the baby's father is because she had an affair with Nic Payne.
    2. April falls madly in love with Rick so she dresses like Amber & seduces him. Amber will get addicted to the lime light so she trades places with April for a while.

    Bonno (Gaborone, Botswana)

    1. ridge is going to find steffy.he is going to locate taylor's cellphone.

    Mal (Sydney, NSW Australia)

    1. I think that bridget will atepmt to kill brook for all the things she's done to her (violent i knowbut it could happen!) and that Eric gets really upset when he finds out Ridge isnt really isnt is sun and chuck another whole story line like he moves on to someone else...maybe sally!

    Gillian Lane (Shrewsbury, SE England)

    1. Eric will find out that Ridge is not his biological son.

    Simone (Perth, WA Australia)

    1. I reckon that Brooke strips down for ridge cause she loves him. Thorne finds out and gets really angry.
    2. Amber stays with Rick and they have anither child
    3. Deacon leaves Amber and Rick alone (About bloody time!!!)
    4. Tony gives Kristen AIDS and screws up her life and Sophias as well

    Heather (Detroit, MI USA)

    1. I think Thorne and Brooke will get married, once B&B kills Macy off, or so I hear anyways!, Brooke will get pregnant they will have a baby, and they will stay together just as long, if not longer than Ridge and Taylor Borrester. The family will start to except them, knowing that nothing they do or say will stop them anyways. Brooke and Thorne will be together maxium 1 to 2 years, then will do a switchero and have Thorne cheat on Brooke instead of the other way around! Brooke finally will come to her senses and realize that all the Forresters do is hurt her, then she will find a new love interest and fall madly in love with him. Meanwhile Thorne's affair/realationsip with Miss. Whomever starts to fall apart and he gets overwhelmingly jealous of Brooke and her new found love. Thorne schemes to get Brooke back but Brooke just doesnt want any part of him and orders him to leave her alone before he ruins her realationship with Mr. Whomever. (Hey it kinda suck! s when the tables are turned ey?) Well now that Ive written like 4 years in to the future I will stop now and hopefully you enjoyed my view on what is yet to come on the most passionate, romantic, all around fun soap opera in the world!!!

    Jane Olivia (Wagga Wagga, NSW Austrailia)

    1. Ridge and Taylor will be happily married and will raise three beautiful kids
    2. Ridge will discover Thornes love for Brooke and Macy will be heartbroken
    3. Stefanie will eventually recover but will hopefully destroy Brooke and Thornes relationship
    4. Rick and Amber will stay married, but Kimberly will continue trying to break them up

    Cathy (Mankato, MN USA)

    1. I THINK THAT BECKY WILL BECOME PREGNANT WITH CJ'S CHILD. SHE WENT TO THE DOCTOR ALREADY BECAUSE SHE WAS ALWAYS TIRED, AND SICK.
    2. I THINK THAT KIMBERELY WILL EVENTUALLY GET SO MEAN TO AMBER THAT RICK WILL LEAVE, AND SLOWLY GET BACK WITH AMBER.
    3. I THINK THAT RIDGE AND MORGAN WILL GET TOGETHER IN PARIS AFTER SHE TELLS HIM THAT SHE HAD AN ABORTION, AND HIS MOTHER WAS THE CAUSE.
    4. I THINK THAT TAYLOR WILL GET SO NERVOUS CUZ OF THE FACT OF MORGAN AND RIDGE THAT SHE WILL GO TO PARIS, AND FIND RIDGE AND MORGAN IN BED TOGETHER. MORGAN WILL LOOK LIKE THE BAD ONE, AND RIDGE WILL GET OFF EASY AGAIN!

    Silvia E Giorgia (Roma, Italy)

    1. Sally kill Brooke because she go to bed with Adam
    2. Sheila come back and she marries Giovanni
    3. Bridget fall in love with Raymond but Amber...

    Craig (Sydney, NSW Austrailia)

    1. Rick and Kimberley will be together (thank god.)
    2. Amber will leave town
    3. CJ will leave town with becky and baby rick jr.
    4. Stephanie will die sooner or later. Probably a heart attack cause of Brooke/Thorne
    5. Macy will end up with Thorne and Brooke will get no-one.
    6. Sally & myles will be together.
    7. One sunny morning in Los Angeles, there is a earthquake suddenly and then every1 will die except for kimberley, macy, taylor, brooke & Amber. They're all left for me. (If u know what I mean, wink wink.)
    8. Taylor survives TB thing and lives happily ever after with Ridge Thomas Stephanie and Phoebe
    9. Bridget will come back get hooked up with someone
    10. An amber kinda character comes along and chases after rick but Brooke kills her
    11. Stephanie & Eric will end passionatily in love
    12. Brooke will leave cause she can't get a man cause she a sl**
    13. Giovanni gets killed some how
    14. Sheila makes a guest appearence and creates havoc
    15. Grant will appear in macys dreams and that will create a major storyline
    16. B&B goes to australia and CJ (the bas****,) will go on a harbour bridge climb and slip to his bloody death
    17. B&B will continue dragging on their storylines so long that the show will still be on when Stephanie, Eric, Sally is dead in real life and Ridge Taylor Brooke and the rest of the "adult" cast will be on walking sticks and false teeth and Rick and young cast will be at the "adult" stage
    18. The show completely get torn apart and that's goodbye

    Sabrina (Decatur, AL USA)

    1. Brooke and Thorne will end up happilly ever after!

    Tracey (Perth, WA Austrailia)

    1. RIDGE AND TAYLOR GET BACK
    2. RICK AND KIMBERLEY GET MARRIED,HAVE KIDS

    Rhyllis Christopher (St. John's, Antigua West Indies)

    1. Rick & Kimberly will finally be togehter
    2. Becky will be for the better now that the truth is out
    3. I hope thorn and Brook never end up together, brook need a lover for herself, no more forrester men.

    Pam Hudson (New Orleans, LA USA)

    1. Stephanie is going to have another stroke when she finds out about Brooke and Thorne but this one is going to be fatal and Throne is going to be in the nut house and Brooke is going to end up with nobody and Macy is going to share her love more seriously with the man in the dark room.Can't wait for that great day
    2. When Rick finds out about That no good Amber its going to be too late Kimberly is going to be long gone with Mr. G.Poor Rick is going to be alone and lonely.
    3. Amber is going to become pregnant and That's when Becky is coming back for her baby.

    Baylee (Deer Park, AL USA)

    1. Kimberly gets Becky to spill the beans about amber
    2. Thorne will go on with his marriage to Macy and forget about Brooke
    3. amber becomes pregnant again
    4. Becky & Cj hook-up
    5. Taylor & Ridge live happy
    6. Cj discovers that Amber is his sister
    7. Brooke finds her own man instead of other peoples

    Angela Hood (Launceston, TS Australia)

    1. Ridge will realise his feelings for Brooke, and will break it gently to Taylor, who will sort comfort from Pierce, who seduces her and they end up in bed together, to which she falls pregnant and causes Ridge to feel that there was something going on between them beforehand
    2. Rick gets upset as rumours start to fly about Amber and Raymond. He breaks down and is crying when Kimberly comes to the door. She comforts him and Amber sees them together and winds up in bed with CJ
    3. Thorne proposes to Macy, who asks for time to think about her decision after last time.

    Allisa Zamarripa (Alice, TX USA)

    1. I think Tawney just ended Amber and Rick's marriage by threatning Kimberly with a gun. How could she be so stupid. Amber should just pack her bags and leave Rick the baby and head back to Furnace Creek. Amber is so out of the Forester's life because once mama Brooke finds out about what Tawney did to Kimberly she's going to flip. I wish Amber and Rick could stay together because I really can not stand Kimberly. I hope Becky still gets to keep her job and Stephanie kicks Brooke to the curve along with the rest of the trash. Thorne should marry Macy because they look better together and it would save Stephanie's life. Taylor is too nice to Brooke. She should have not helped her at all. Brooke is a slut.

    Amanda (Asheboro, NC USA)

    1. Rick will eventually find out that little Eric is not his child and be really mad, but continue to keep things the way they are b/c he already loves the baby and still wants a home for him. This will happen a long time from now b/c this show moves so dang slow!

    Alewyn (Centurion, South Africa)

    1. Macy is offered a high position at Forrester as a attempt for Macy to be closer to Thorne
    2. Brooke gets jealous of all the time Thorne and Macy spent together at work and fires Macy which isn't approved by Thorne
    3. Rick and Amber splits up after Rick finds out that little Eric isn't his child by Becky
    4. Kimberly much choose between Giovanni and Rick
    5. Adam and Clarke has a nasty fight over Sally. Sally choose Adam at the end
    6. CJ comforts Amber.

    Alewyn's (Centurion, South Africa)

    1. Rick will find out little Eric is not his child
    2. Brooke will leave Thorne alone
    3. Thorne and Macy marries

    Sher McLaughlin's (Asheboro, NC USA)

    1. As of today: Oct.13,1999....I think the future episodes would be interesting if:
    2. Stephaine will come out of her coma and let everyone know that she has heard all of them talking to her however, she tells them that she experienced in the light a feeling of total and complete LOVE. A LOVE that only could come from JESUS CHRIST. She tells how beautiful and peaceful everything was...surrounded with LOVE and happiness. Stephaine and Eric reunite together again.
    3. Becky has a month from work and comes back to visit "Little Eric." She says hi to Rick & Amber and wants to visit see the baby. While she heads for the nusery...the door bell rings...Brooke dropped by to see Rick about Stephaine in the hospital...Rick decides to go with his mom to see Stephaine...Rick goes to tell Amber where he is going...When he starts to open the door to the nusery...He overhears "the truth" concerning "Little Eric" and quess who is standing behind Rick? Rick suddenly leaves and ends up at Kimberly's home and tells her "the truth" that he now knows...etc. Amber comes out of the nusery when she hears the door slam and comes face to face with Brooke...this situation Explodes....Big....Time.....

    Crystal's Casting (Beckley, WV USA)

    1. Maybe now Brooke will just have her dreams come true with Ridge again. Taylor will be remembered for her heroics,giving birth to her twins while putting her own live endanger by refusing the drug treatments to keep them from any harm, it will then be to late for her and she will not make it to share her life with Ridge and their children. Ridge will be devasted and Brooke will pounce on the opportunity. This will bring Stephanie on the war path! Fighting tooth and nail, this will end up being something to really watch!

    Mary's (Maryland, USA)

    1. I think Amber's dream is coming to an end now that Becky has realized that little Eric is really her baby.Rick and Kimberly will get together and live happily ever after.Brooke will get her paws into Thorne and it will not last as none of her relationships do.Taylor will make it through this TB thing and maybe lose a child or two.The hatred between Stephanie and Brooke will continue

    Marily's (Palermo, Italy)

    1. Rick is the only angel of the story. Please let him be!

    Brian's (Cape Town, WC South Africa)

    1. ridge will discover that brooke is pregnant with pierces child and he will have an emotional heart break and will want to commit suicide. thorne and macy will discover that thay have twins. stephanie will start having feelings for james and they will have an affair.

    Kayla Hansen's (Forks, WA USA)

    1. I think B&B will bring in a new love interest for Brooke. It will bother Ridge but he will remain comitted to Taylor and his son. Taylor will have some complications with her pregnancy but it will bring her and Ridge closer
    2. A terrible storm will land Brooke and Taylor in one place and Brooke will help deliver a new baby girl for Taylor
    3. Ambers baby will be born and seem to be light in color which will lead her to belive that it is Rick's baby but as time goes by the skin will gradually darken, and that will panick Amber because Rick is already very attatched to the baby
    4. Stephanie will guess the truth and confess to Eric and the sparks will fly in the Forrester family.

    Valinornia (Jacksonville, FL USA)

    1. Everyone will be worried about Amber. Brooke will be convinced that Amber left because she had something to hide. Sally will feel that since Rick helped her "family", she will help him and she springs the beans about the possibility that the baby Amber is carrying is not his. Rick & Kimberly will get closer.
    2. Stephanie will have to have surgery to get her foot out of her mouth, for not letting Sally tell the Forresters about Amber's lies
    3. Amber will have the baby and it will be Rick's. Amber will come back with her mother, only to find out that Rick wants nothing to do with her because he cannot trust her and he has developed a relationship with Kimberly. Rick will offer to take care of the baby financially and to be a father to the baby, but he wants nothing to do with Amber. Amber's mother will smell money & she & Amber will plot to break Rick and Kimberly up & reinstall Amber as witchey-poo, er wifey-poo
    4. Brooke & Pierce will have a relationship. Bridge will realize he still loves Brooke, after Taylor miscarries, but it will simply be too late for him.

    Greene (Columbia, SC USA)

    1. Memories of Brook will take control of Ridge & he will realize that she is his true love, but she will be involved with Pierce before he comes to that realization
    2. Rick is the father of Amber's baby. He will find out that she slept with Raymond & will never be able to forgive her for not being honest with him
    3. Eric & Stephanie reunite.

    Angela (Abilene, TX USA)

    1. RIDGE & BROOKE WILL BE TOGETHER
    2. TAYLOR TELLS RIDGE SHE IS GOING TO VISIT HER MOTHER BEFORE THE BABY IS BORN, TAYLOR & PIERCE SECRETLY GOES TO FORRESTER CABIN. TAYLOR GOES INTO LABOR WHILE W\ PIERCE. RIDGE IS ON HIS WAY TO THE CABIN TO BE ALONE ONLY TO FIND TAYLOR & PIERCE HAD BEEN ALONE (VERY ALONE)!! TAYLOR TELLS RIDGE SHE'S IN LABOR. RIDGE RUSHES HER TO HOSPITAL. AFTER SEEING PIERCE & TAYLOR TOGETHER HE HAS HIS DOUBTS ABT. WHO'S THE FATHER. PIERCE IS THE FATHER. RIDGE RUNS TO BROOKE & ADMITS TO HER THE LOVE HE HAS FOR HER...

    Breinne Perry (Jacksonville, FL USA)

    1. The baby will be Raymond's and Rick will be with Kimberly
    2. Taylor's and Ridge's marriage will get worse

    Lindy Arjoon (New York, NY USA)

    1. I think that Brooke should try and make a life without Ridge
    2. Taylor should not get pregnant again, its not a very good example for family life
    3. Sally should get some happiness
    4. Macy & Thorne should be reunitied & have a family.

    Josian Joseph (Commonwealth of Dominica)

    1. I think that Amber will have a black baby & Rick & Kimberly will be together finally when Rick finds out that the only thing that has him so committe to Amber is not legit.
    2. Stephanie & Myles will fall in love again
    3. Thorne & Macy reunites & have a bouncing Thorne Junior
    4. Brooke & Ridge will be caught in bed
    5. Taylor & Pierce will live in their fairy tale world together finally.

    Phernice (Laplace, LA USA)

    1. RICK COMES TO HIS SENSES AND LEAVES AMBER FOR KIMBERLY WHILE An ANGRY AMBER PROMISES TO TAKE THE FORRESTERS FOR A BIG INHERITANCE AFTER THE BABY IS BORN,BUT TO HER SUPRISE & EVERYONE LOOKING ON SHE GIVES BIRTH TO A BEAUTIFUL BLACK BABY! NEED I SAY MORE!
    2. BROOKE WILL FINALLY STOP MAKING A FOOL OF HERSELF & START TO REALIZE SHE & ERIC NEED TO PUT THEIR FAMILY BACK TOGETHER & SO SHE MAKES IT HAPPEN
    3. TAYLOR WILL STOP BEING NIEVE & LEAVE PLAYBOY RIDGE FOR THE GOOD DOCTOR! WHILE RIDGE MAKES AN HONEST EFFORT TO SETTLE DOWN ONLY TO FIND OUT IT'S TOO LATE & END UP IN BED WITH LAUREN!
    4. MACY WILL UNITE HER MOM & DAD,AFTER THE ARGUEMENTS THEY'LL UNITE THEIR KIDS AND LIVE AS A FAMILY!
    5. STEPHANIE & JAMES WILL MARRY!
    6. SHELIA AND BABY CONTINUE TO LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER!

    Pooh (Silver Spring, MD USA)

    1. Amber will find out the baby is not Rick's or she will loose the baby and try told hold onto him that way
    2. Brooke will finally get in bed with Ridge and Taylor will go to Peirce
    3. Brooke will have a fight with Stephanie and Lauren will join in

    Emily Mckenzie (Rocky Mount, NC USA)

    1. I think that Amber is going to leave out of hurt of Rick's new found love. I think Rick going to soon find out about the chance of the baby not being his and will resume a relationship with the other girl. I feel that when the baby is born that it will be Ricks.

    Cyndi Johnson (Olive Branch, MS USA)

    1. amber believes the baby isn't ricks but raymonds and leaves town, she goes into labor & delivers only to find out that the baby is really ricks and rushes back to town to stop rick from committing to kimberly..the returns of bailey threatens the life of taylor as he blames her for the fall out between he and pierce... ridge finally realizes he truely loves taylor and tells brooke that it's over after taylor is rescued and her life hangs in the balance...steph and james get engaged...johnny returns to support lauren after eric leaves her to comfort brooke who is devistated after ridges confession of love for taylor and their son...sally & miles come face to face..macy and thorn are falling in love again..cj tells kimberly that rick did love amber and they were happy until she came along and admits to her that he was in love with amber too..brooke sees her granddaughter for the first time and tries to convence amber to give her and eric the child to raise as her own..rick learns he's a father

    Crystal Mans (Fairborn, OH USA)

    1. Amber catches Rick kissing the new girl in town.Amber runs out of town but Rick finds her
    2. Ridge finds out about Priece & Bailey's mind games. Ridge tells Pierce after that Bailey gets fired for the traches under Talyor
    3. The police finds Mary,and Shiela is shot dead

    Michelle Collins (Huntsville, AL USA)

    1. Amber's baby is Ushers'. Ridge and Brooke will be back together again. Pierce is in love with Taylor, and she is to nieve to see that. He will eventually have Taylor before she knows it because she will be under hipnossis and want realise the big mistake she is making until it's to late and she has lost Ridge for good this time. Sheila will try to kill Stephaine, and James but will die her own self.James and Stephaine will marrry, and Macy and Thorne will be back together again and have a family. Maybe because of all the mess with Rick, Brooke and Eric will get back together, you never know. The situation is bringing them a lot closer these days. Pierce is just a quack if you ask me. He is not good for the show to me. He just don't fit in at all. B/B needs to get rid of him.

    Lanesha Green (Charleston, SC USA)

    1. Pierce will seduce Taylor & Ridge will find out. He will turn to Brooke for comfort and of course, she will be there

    Annalisa (Palermo, Italy)

    1. Cybill (i.e. Sheila) wounds Stephanie severely, Brooke succeeds in saving her, but is wounded herself

    Group of girls 18 to 27 (Rome, Italy)

    1. Ridge discovers that Bridget is his daugther

    Heather (Bettendorf, IA USA)

    1. raymond (usher) is the father of ambers baby and she knows but she doesnt want to tell rick. She wants to be rich and become a forester so she lets rick beleive that amber is carrying his child. Then Amber and rick will get married before the baby is born and after the baby is born rick will find out that the baby is actualy raymonds (usher).

    Brenda Cowans (Memphis, TN USA)

    1. Taylor has an affair with Pierce & Ridge finds out, goes to Brooke and she rejects him

    Santasia Gomez (Fort Dodge, IA USA)

    1. Mike will help Sheila escape & kidnap Mary
    2. Ridge's tummy will hurt as he sees Brooke & Pierce together cause he still loves her & wants her bad

    Nataliee Wattley (Charlotte Amalie, St. Thomas, USVI)

    1. Ambers' baby is Raymond's (Usher)
    2. Macy will get pregnant but for Thorne
    3. Sheila will catch Stephanie and James at the cabin